Discussion:
Using Bicarbonate Against the Swine Flu & Colds
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Tim Campbell
2010-01-23 18:35:07 UTC
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Recommended dosages from the Arm and Hammer Company for colds and
influenza back in 1925 were:

During the first day take six doses of half teaspoonful of Arm &
Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour
intervals.


During the second day take four doses of half teaspoonful of Arm and
Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at the same
intervals.


During the third day take two doses of half teaspoonful of Arm and
Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water morning and evening,
and thereafter half teaspoonful in glass of cool water each morning
until cold is cured.

***Well the sodium bicarbonate cure for colds and sore throats.
A friend called as I was reading about it, I told her to try it.
She is rapt! Relief in a few hours, and she went to work the
following day! And she was miserable and could hardly talk,
had just woken with it full on, and was planning on missing
work.***


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Tim Campbell
2010-01-24 22:02:52 UTC
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Testimonials:
My father was a veterinarian and as far back as I can remember (I was
born in 1938 so my memory goes back to maybe 1943) he would take
sodium bicarbonate dissolved in a full glass of warm water whenever he
felt a cold coming on. I don’t remember him ever coming down with a
full blown cold. He would treat my cold symptoms likewise and I
responded equally as well. He also treated farm animals for various
illnesses with sodium bicarbonate via a gastric tube and they
recovered quickly. So I’ve known about the benefits of sodium
bicarbonate from early childhood on. Glad to see that its benefits are
being more widely touted. Although my father was a doctor of
Veterinarian medicine, he sometimes referred to himself as an MD (Mule
Doctor).

Dr. David B Winter, DO
Tim Campbell
2010-01-26 23:00:46 UTC
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How do you know that you didn't just happen to take the bicarb when you
were at your worst and about to get better?
I don't. Except that now, as I have been talking about this to family
and friends I am finding others whose parents and grand parents knew
about this. And my sister stopped a cold in its tracks this way last
weekend....

Peculiar sort of mass delusion going on apparently...;^)
Tim Campbell
2010-01-29 20:15:16 UTC
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How do you know that you didn't just happen to take the bicarb when you
were at your worst and about to get better?
Well, let's see how a prominent physician from earlier in our history
evaluated the use of bicarbonate:

"The paragraph below is from a 1924 booklet, published by the Arm &
Hammer Soda Company. On page 12 the company starts off saying, “The
proven value of Arm & Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda as a therapeutic
agent is further evinced by the following evidence of a prominent
physician named Dr. Volney S. Cheney, in a letter to the Church &
Dwight Company:

“In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the ‘Flu’ with the U. S. Public
Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely any one who
had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted
the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early,
would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all
cases of ‘Cold,’ Influenza and LaGripe by first giving generous doses
of Bicarbonate of Soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours
the symptoms would have entirely abated. Further, within my own
household, before Woman’s Clubs and Parent-Teachers’ Associations, I
have advocated the use of Bicarbonate of Soda as a preventive for
“Colds,” with the result that now many reports are coming in stating
that those who took “Soda” were not affected, while nearly every one
around them had the “Flu.”"
Courtney
2010-01-30 18:51:18 UTC
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Once you've done all that, you can come to a reasonably reliable conclusion
as to how effective your proposed treatment is. If anyone's done that for
using bicarbonate to treat flu or colds, I've never heard of it.
So you're denying any degree of validity to the claims of a prominent
physician of the day, working day in and day out in the trenches of
the largest influenza outbreak of that era?

Especially regarding something that is so simply and easily
demonstrable for oneself. Most folks have a box of Arm & Hammer in
their kitchen or bathroom.
c***@gmail.com
2010-01-30 21:07:57 UTC
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Post by Courtney
Once you've done all that, you can come to a reasonably reliable conclusion
as to how effective your proposed treatment is.  If anyone's done that for
using bicarbonate to treat flu or colds, I've never heard of it.
So you're denying any degree of validity to the claims of a prominent
physician of the day, working day in and day out in the trenches of
the largest influenza outbreak of that era?
Especially regarding something that is so simply and easily
demonstrable for oneself. Most folks have a box of Arm & Hammer in
their kitchen or bathroom.
Oh heck physicians of that day didn't even know the basis of the
difference between filterable and non-filterable viruses. The
bacterium Hemophilus influenza is so called because some investigators
implicated this bacterium (a non-filterable virus) as the causative
agent before it (the causative agent) was positively identified as a
filterable virus (of the H1N1 variety hence the panic of last year).

Taking bicarbonate of soda will give you a good burp as it neutralizes
your gastric acid and releases CO2. You then have sodium chloride in
your stomach. After the excess bicarbonate passes into the duodenum it
is mixed with the pancreatic juices and food bolus. It has to be
absorbed via the brush border villi. Bicarbonate is actively conserved
by the gall bladder and excreted by the kidneys. Any excess or
deficiency which would raise the pH beyond about 7.45 would cause loss
from the kidneys. If you stress the body beyond that you would
experience the symptoms of altitude sickness.

Individual testimonies have no bearing.

Hard science would tell you you are just wrong.

David
Tim Campbell
2010-01-31 00:35:48 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Oh heck physicians of that day didn't even know the basis of the
difference between filterable and non-filterable viruses.
But apparently at least this one knew enough to take note of a simple
occurrence among those ill with influenza following their ingestion of
bicarbonate. Causal connections can be validly observed outside of a
laboratory setting; particularly when the pattern occurs repeatedly,
consistently.
Courtney
2010-01-31 22:57:37 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Hard science would tell you you are just wrong.
"Hard science" like this?

Study: Money Talks in Drug Trials
June 5, 2007

http://www.intelihe alth.com/ IH/ihtIH/ EMIHC256/ 333/21291/
558296.html? d=dmtICNNews


SAN FRANCISCO (The New York Times News Service) -- Money talks -- and
very
loudly when a drug company is funding a clinical trial involving one
of its
products, according to a study released Monday.

University of California at San Francisco researchers looked at nearly
200
head-to-head studies of widely prescribed cholesterol- lowering
medications, or
statins, and found that results were 20 times more likely to favor the
drug
made by the company that sponsored the trial.

"We have to be really, really skeptical of these drug-company-
sponsored
studies," said Lisa Bero, the study's author and professor of clinical
pharmacy and
health policy studies at the university.

The research, reported in the online editions of PLoS Medicine, a San
Francisco medical journal, focused on studies of six statins --
including Pfizer
Inc.'s Lipitor, Merck & Co.'s Zocor and the generic drug Mevacor --
that had
already been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. The trials
typically
involved comparing the effectiveness of a drug to one or two other
statins.

"If I'm a clinician or funder of health care, I really want to know
within a
class of drug which one works better," Bero said.

"What our study shows is that depends on who funds the study."

UCSF researchers also found that a study's conclusions -- not the
actual
research results but the trial investigators' impressions -- are more
than 35
times more likely to favor the test drug when that trial is sponsored
by the
drug's maker.

Drug manufacturers, through the industry's trade group, said the
federal
government cracks down on biased research.

"The new study overlooks the crucial role of the Food and Drug
Administration
in reviewing and approving claims that are based on clinical trial
results,"
said Ken Johnson, senior vice president of Pharmaceutical Research
and
Manufacturers of America, in a statement.

"Our industry is dependent upon well-designed clinical trials that
will pass
muster with the FDA," Johnson said.

Mark Gibson is deputy director of the Center for Evidence-Based Policy
at
Oregon Health & Science University, which reviews existing clinical
evidence for
drug effectiveness and safety. He called the UCSF study an "important
piece of
work."

"If Americans really want to be able to have sound evidence on which
to base
their choice of treatments, they need to think about ways to fund
independent
research," he said.

About half of the 192 statin trials examined in the study between 1999
and
2005 were funded by drug companies. Bero said drug companies fund up
to 90
percent of drug-to-drug clinical trials for certain classes of
medication.

About a third of the statin trials did not disclose any funding
source.
Trials with no disclosed funding source were less likely to favor the
so-called
test drug than those with industry funding, researchers found.

The researchers found other factors that could affect trial results.
For
example, pharmaceutical companies could choose not to publish results
of studies
that fail to favor their drugs, or they could be designed in ways to
skew
results.

The study found the most important weakness of trials was lack of
true
clinical outcome measures. In the case of statins, some trials focused
on
less-direct results such as lipid levels but failed to connect the
results with key
outcomes such as heart attacks or mortality.

"None of us really care what our cholesterol level is. We care about
having a
heart attack," Gibson said. "For the drug to be worthwhile taking, it
has to
be directly related to prevent a heart attack."

The UCSF study was funded by a grant from the California Tobacco
Related
Disease Research Program.

The study, "Factors Association with Findings of Published Trials of
Drug-Drugs Comparison," can be found online at www.medicine.
plosjournals. org .

Copyright 2007 The New York Times News Service. All rights reserved.
Courtney
2010-02-02 04:05:56 UTC
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No significant benefits have been observed when starting
to take vitamin C after the onset of symptoms.
That doesn't mean that bicarbonate doesn't work. But your subjective
experience, however suggestive, isn't proof.
Numerous times I have also found that though I can sometimes dampen
out a cold, in its early stages with vitamin C; once the cold is
underway C seems to have little effect.

This is why I was so intrigued by my experience with bicarbonate. I
was right in the midst of a severe cold and from the first dose the
cold was dampened and then tapered out. I have a sister out west who
is having a similar experience with a cold.


I'm not offering this as "proof." Just offering my experience. Those
who may have "ears to hear" may wish to give it a try - all others
feel free to disregard.
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2010-02-14 07:29:52 UTC
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Post by Courtney
No significant benefits have been observed when starting
to take vitamin C after the onset of symptoms.
That doesn't mean that bicarbonate doesn't work. But your subjective
experience, however suggestive, isn't proof.
Numerous times I have also found that though I can sometimes dampen
out a cold, in its early stages with vitamin C; once the cold is
underway C seems to have little effect.
This is why I was so intrigued by my experience with bicarbonate. I
was right in the midst of a severe cold and from the first dose the
cold was dampened and then tapered out. I have a sister out west who
is having a similar experience with a cold.
I'm not offering this as "proof." Just offering my experience. Those
who may have "ears to hear" may wish to give it a try - all others
feel free to disregard.
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